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more loose nuts

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:02 pm
by Baseshakers
so i was putting new u-joints in my rear DS and i noticed the pinion nut was loose. is the torque spec ~220 ft/lbs? my torque wrench only goes to 100, what's the best way to check this? Luckily there's no crush sleeve involved being a 44 but i still want to make sure it's good and tight.

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:54 pm
by Kurt
The FSM for the 2003 says 160-200 ft-lbs
(Best FSM I have here at work)

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:38 pm
by Kurt
Kurt wrote:The FSM for the 2003 says 160-200 ft-lbs
(Best FSM I have here at work)
Just checked - same for a 2005 rear axle D44 pinion nut.

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:23 pm
by Baseshakers
any thoughts as how to tell when i've hit 160-200? simply hammer at it with the impact 'til it's tight? (even though my impact is kinda weak) also, my jeep loves to roll when i tighten the pinion nut (and the ebrake sucks). think it will hold in gear in 4WD?

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:36 pm
by johnsxj
putting it in 4WD will help. Put it in 4Low with the trans in 1st. Then hit it like hell with the impact!

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:49 am
by mexgrizzly
I tend to use the torque wrench to go to 100, then use a breaker bar and approximate the desired torque. For a baseline guage how much force it needs to start the nut turning from 100.

-Andy

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:50 am
by ZAEDOCK
Baseshakers wrote: my jeep loves to roll
*in the Emperor's voice* "Good.....good....."

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:41 am
by ChrisD
I thought using a impact to tighten the pinion nut was a no no?? The reason being, your stressing the bearing.

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:19 am
by Baseshakers
i think it's ok for the 44 since there is no crush sleeve, but the 30 needs to be done with a breaker bar. i could be wrong though.

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:37 am
by ZAEDOCK
I do 200 ft lbs. The torque-to-rotate should be between 25-35 in lbs. with new bearings (I think the actual spec is 20-40), add 1-2 in lbs for new bearings.

Here's a good resource: http://www2.dana.com/pdf/5310-3.PDF

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:45 am
by ZAEDOCK
Baseshakers wrote:i think it's ok for the 44 since there is no crush sleeve, but the 30 needs to be done with a breaker bar. i could be wrong though.
Not all 30's use a crush sleeve. YJ HP 30's use shims, like a D44.

Re: more loose nuts

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:29 pm
by nostaw
Chris wrote:I thought using a impact to tighten the pinion nut was a no no?? The reason being, your stressing the bearing.
An impact gun is usually a no-no because it is way easy to over-torque the nut... A real problem with a crush sleeve, slightly less with just shims.

The "right" answer is to torque it until you get the right amount of preload per the factory spec -- that is why there is a range, not a fixed value.

JW